Il Rinascimento della Scolastica!

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  1. Dear Lionel, In regard to your question:

    You would have to ask them.

    Anyhow, I did not know you live in Bracciano. Are you a member of the hermits dedicated to St. Michael the Archangel?

    Signed,

    The Editor

  2. what do you think?

    Here are the controversial passages again
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/here-are-controversial-passages-again.html

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    Oh, I have visted them once! Tutto il mondo è paese.

    Why you argue with the editor of this Blog is beyond me. We have never affirmed that a hypothetical case proves that a revealed and defined rule of salvation established by the lips of the Incarnate God has an exception. What God does, without our knowledge cannot be spoken of in matters of certainty, nor is it licit for us to speak of it nor pious of us if we hypothesize what God acts differently than He has declared. Even the fact taht God saved souls in the OT without Baptism proves nothing about what He will do or does in the NT, as we are not allowed to determined what God does do on the basis of what we speculate. That being the Case, St. Alphonsus a doctor of the Church declared before Vatican I, said that by baptismus flaminis e baptismum sanguinis a persona can be justified and saved, and that this was de fide. If you have an argument with him, take it up on your knees.

  3. We have never affirmed that a hypothetical case proves that a revealed and defined rule of salvation established by the lips of the Incarnate God has an exception.

    Lionel:
    So a hypothetical case is not revealed in the flesh in 2016 it is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

    That being the Case, St. Alphonsus a doctor of the Church declared before Vatican I, said that by baptismus flaminis e baptismum sanguinis a persona can be justified and saved…

    Lionel:
    So was the baptism of desire and blood a hypothetical case for you as it is for me?
    I think we can accept it as a hypothetical case, along with St. Alphonsus Liguori.

    So did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston in the second part, make a mistake when it assumed that the baptism of desire and blood were not hypothetical but an exception to EENS according to Fr.Leonard Feeney?
    -Lionel Andrades

  4. The Editor says:

    That the Church has venerated from the earliest centuries those who have died without the Sacrament, on account of their desire for it before a bloodless Martyrdom or their Martyrdom by blood, is an incontestable fact of history and Tradition. These are not hypothetical cases, but historic truths which form part of the infallible tradition of the Church. To deny that is impossible. However, to extend such cases of heroic virtue to the individual who for reasons of human respect or lack of faith or prudence dies before receiving the Sacrament or adhering to the Church, is equally erroneous, for it is as St. Alphonsus holds, morally impossible for an individual to avoid all mortal sins without the help of the Sacraments in the manner they are properly confected and administered in the Catholic Church; and hence those who abstain from them culpably or not, cannot hope for salvation, nor is there any good hope that they be saved, objectively speaking. Thus the Catholic Truth lies between the exaggerations which Fr. Feeney attempted to fight, and the exaggerations which he employed to fight them. One cannot speak theologically of the hypothetical, since theology as a science regards what has been revealed, not what God might do. As creatures we cannot licitly speculate about what God might do, when He has told us what to do and promised what He will do if we do it. Only a situational ethic of a laxist would argue as the opponents of Fr. Feeney did. But Fr. Feeney went to the other extreme, since being formed as a Jesuit, he had not the tools of theology to oppose the errors which plague the teaching of moral theology in that Society for centuries.

    Here ends our discussion of BoD and BoB. Lionel, you are well known for having an insatiable desire to debate these things ad nauseam. I have replied only to rebut you in public. I will not entertain any more comments from you.

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